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		<title>Comment on Shut Up! by Sherrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  try to have a quiet prayer time every morning before the sun comes up....which is easier in the winter!  If I am unable to focus on prayer or listening to God, I often &quot;pray&quot; the hymnal or part of the hymnal...by reading or singing the hymns to myself, I am drawn to think about things I might otherwise miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  try to have a quiet prayer time every morning before the sun comes up&#8230;.which is easier in the winter!  If I am unable to focus on prayer or listening to God, I often &#8220;pray&#8221; the hymnal or part of the hymnal&#8230;by reading or singing the hymns to myself, I am drawn to think about things I might otherwise miss.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 21st Century Christians by Sister Caryn</title>
		<link>http://www.messiahdenver.org/blog/?p=13&#038;cpage=1#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Caryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 03:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Sherrill.

I have been hurt, most certainly disappointed, confused and healed by the church.  Over the years it has been helpful to become exposed to several congregations as well the global church and to a lesser extent, interfaith dialogue and interaction for shalom or the common wealth of community.  Healing has come through regular worship, service, and the Eucharist.  I especially prefer the Communion format process we experience at the (rail) the table this past Sunday. Come to the table.  Thank you Messiah Community Church for inviting the community to the Lord&#039;s table weekly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Sherrill.</p>
<p>I have been hurt, most certainly disappointed, confused and healed by the church.  Over the years it has been helpful to become exposed to several congregations as well the global church and to a lesser extent, interfaith dialogue and interaction for shalom or the common wealth of community.  Healing has come through regular worship, service, and the Eucharist.  I especially prefer the Communion format process we experience at the (rail) the table this past Sunday. Come to the table.  Thank you Messiah Community Church for inviting the community to the Lord&#8217;s table weekly!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taking the Bible seriously, not literally by Wolfgang Stahlberg</title>
		<link>http://www.messiahdenver.org/blog/?p=8&#038;cpage=1#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Wolfgang Stahlberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sandra, for your comments. I think you are absolutely right that we need to get away from literal-factual reading of the Bible and get to the broader and deeper metaphorical understandings (plural!) of the word of God. The most important question is not Did it really happen that way? but What does this mean in MY life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sandra, for your comments. I think you are absolutely right that we need to get away from literal-factual reading of the Bible and get to the broader and deeper metaphorical understandings (plural!) of the word of God. The most important question is not Did it really happen that way? but What does this mean in MY life?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Taking the Bible seriously, not literally by Sandra Hergenreder</title>
		<link>http://www.messiahdenver.org/blog/?p=8&#038;cpage=1#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandra Hergenreder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the Bible as literal fact or the sacred word of God?: No;  the Bible as literature with all of its glorious ways of looking at encounters with the Unknown (metaphor, simile, analogy, parable, story, poetry, song, myth,...)?: a resounding Yes!

As biblical scholars develop tools which help them analyze texts and authorship more and more accurately,  archaeologists discover more artifacts referred to in writings, and historians, using texts from a variety of sources, are able to piece together customs, traditions, and how life was lived outside the royal household, more and more of the Bible seems to be falling away from “fact.”  When literal interpretation based on “fact” is no longer valid, then one is compelled to take a closer look at what is really going on.

At the 2008 Fall Meeting of the Westar Institute, (as reported in Vol 22, #2 of The 4th R) the Fellows and Associates agreed that, based on text analysis, anachronistic ceremonies, and uncorroborated or conflicting statements from other texts,  chunks of Acts (Acts 5:17-33, Acts 12:1-17, and Acts 16:13-40) are “Lukan fiction.”  Does this make Luke a liar?  Well, if he was writing history, then, perhaps, but history is written by the “winners”and he was included in the New Testament canon.  Like the other Gospel/New Testament writers, Luke’s agenda was theology, not history.  They had the “facts” of several common stories, but their interpretation of those facts led to differing theologies.  As with any piece of writing, we need to look at who the intended audience was.  For example, Shakespeare knew that the King was going to see performances of his plays, so, of course, he wrote glowingly of the King’s ancestors and condemned with unjustified harshness those who were not such as Richard III. According to Margaret Nutting Ralph’s &quot;Discovering the Gospels: Four Accounts of the Good News,&quot; Mark’s audience was persecuted Christians, so his theme is “Why should anyone suffer?” Matthew’s audience is the Jewish Christian and the theme that Jesus is the new Moses with authority from God to give the new law (which is  why his Gospel isn’t such Good News to non-Christian Jews and has lead to 2000 years of violent anti-Semitic action on the part of Christians.)  Luke was writing to the Gentiles and his theme is that the covenant relationship is universal.  One elephant.  Six blind men describing it.

So, when reading and trying to understand the stories in the Bible, as with any piece of writing, we need to read it in its historical context with a knowledge the author’s intended audience and that there are a variety of literary devices (metaphor, poetry, parable...) to get across an idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the Bible as literal fact or the sacred word of God?: No;  the Bible as literature with all of its glorious ways of looking at encounters with the Unknown (metaphor, simile, analogy, parable, story, poetry, song, myth,&#8230;)?: a resounding Yes!</p>
<p>As biblical scholars develop tools which help them analyze texts and authorship more and more accurately,  archaeologists discover more artifacts referred to in writings, and historians, using texts from a variety of sources, are able to piece together customs, traditions, and how life was lived outside the royal household, more and more of the Bible seems to be falling away from “fact.”  When literal interpretation based on “fact” is no longer valid, then one is compelled to take a closer look at what is really going on.</p>
<p>At the 2008 Fall Meeting of the Westar Institute, (as reported in Vol 22, #2 of The 4th R) the Fellows and Associates agreed that, based on text analysis, anachronistic ceremonies, and uncorroborated or conflicting statements from other texts,  chunks of Acts (Acts 5:17-33, Acts 12:1-17, and Acts 16:13-40) are “Lukan fiction.”  Does this make Luke a liar?  Well, if he was writing history, then, perhaps, but history is written by the “winners”and he was included in the New Testament canon.  Like the other Gospel/New Testament writers, Luke’s agenda was theology, not history.  They had the “facts” of several common stories, but their interpretation of those facts led to differing theologies.  As with any piece of writing, we need to look at who the intended audience was.  For example, Shakespeare knew that the King was going to see performances of his plays, so, of course, he wrote glowingly of the King’s ancestors and condemned with unjustified harshness those who were not such as Richard III. According to Margaret Nutting Ralph’s &#8220;Discovering the Gospels: Four Accounts of the Good News,&#8221; Mark’s audience was persecuted Christians, so his theme is “Why should anyone suffer?” Matthew’s audience is the Jewish Christian and the theme that Jesus is the new Moses with authority from God to give the new law (which is  why his Gospel isn’t such Good News to non-Christian Jews and has lead to 2000 years of violent anti-Semitic action on the part of Christians.)  Luke was writing to the Gentiles and his theme is that the covenant relationship is universal.  One elephant.  Six blind men describing it.</p>
<p>So, when reading and trying to understand the stories in the Bible, as with any piece of writing, we need to read it in its historical context with a knowledge the author’s intended audience and that there are a variety of literary devices (metaphor, poetry, parable&#8230;) to get across an idea.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Start here by Sherrill</title>
		<link>http://www.messiahdenver.org/blog/?p=5&#038;cpage=1#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend once spoke to me of &quot;growing into our baptism&quot;.  Our understanding of our baptsim isn&#039;t the same  at 6 as it is at 12, a 18 as it is at 25...why would our faith be any diferent?  I hope that at age 44, my faith isn&#039;t a stagnant thing that is and will never be any different.  I need more help than that and look forward to the journey I am on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend once spoke to me of &#8220;growing into our baptism&#8221;.  Our understanding of our baptsim isn&#8217;t the same  at 6 as it is at 12, a 18 as it is at 25&#8230;why would our faith be any diferent?  I hope that at age 44, my faith isn&#8217;t a stagnant thing that is and will never be any different.  I need more help than that and look forward to the journey I am on!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 21st Century Christians by Sherrill</title>
		<link>http://www.messiahdenver.org/blog/?p=13&#038;cpage=1#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Sherrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s my experience that people who have been hurt by the church fall into two categories:  people who still want to be a part of a church and those who want nothing to do with the church.  But BOTH deserve to be healed of their hurts.  Hard as it is to accept, the church  has injured people and perpetuated spiritual abuse for a couple  thousand years.  We are a part of it if we aren&#039;t part of the healing.  People of color, women, lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered people are some of the most recent victims of spiritual abuse in our country.  You might even add Muslims and people of middle eastern descent.  Unfortunately, Christians often use our faith to, well, i can&#039;t think of a better word than to abuse people.

But the church can be part of the healing process.  Whether people stay in the church or not is not the issue; we don&#039;t just heal the people who are going to stay with us.  We offer repentence and ask for forgiveness of those we have limited, restricted, harassed or even killed.  I believe this is a difficult, but fulfilling job for the church...it is what we are called to do as followers of Christ.  Would Christ do any less?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s my experience that people who have been hurt by the church fall into two categories:  people who still want to be a part of a church and those who want nothing to do with the church.  But BOTH deserve to be healed of their hurts.  Hard as it is to accept, the church  has injured people and perpetuated spiritual abuse for a couple  thousand years.  We are a part of it if we aren&#8217;t part of the healing.  People of color, women, lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgendered people are some of the most recent victims of spiritual abuse in our country.  You might even add Muslims and people of middle eastern descent.  Unfortunately, Christians often use our faith to, well, i can&#8217;t think of a better word than to abuse people.</p>
<p>But the church can be part of the healing process.  Whether people stay in the church or not is not the issue; we don&#8217;t just heal the people who are going to stay with us.  We offer repentence and ask for forgiveness of those we have limited, restricted, harassed or even killed.  I believe this is a difficult, but fulfilling job for the church&#8230;it is what we are called to do as followers of Christ.  Would Christ do any less?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Start here by Tricky Woo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tricky Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with any serious relationship &quot;commitment&quot; is the key. Through ups and downs and highs and lows there is a trust that nothing more will be asked of us than we can bear and that extra strength we possess then comes from our belief in a loving God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with any serious relationship &#8220;commitment&#8221; is the key. Through ups and downs and highs and lows there is a trust that nothing more will be asked of us than we can bear and that extra strength we possess then comes from our belief in a loving God.</p>
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